Saturday, 21 February 2015

Any movies, DVD edition is preferable over the Blu-Ray?

Discuss.. Any movies for which the DVD edition is preferable over the Blu-Ray?

Person A
For picture quality, special features, or any other reason.

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Person B
Only one I can think of right now is:

Tombstone (Director's Cut)

The DVD is preferrable to the blu-ray simply because the director's cut, to my knowledge, is not available on blu-ray! Only the theatrical cut of Tombstone is available on blu-ray!

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I'd LOVE to own the director's cut on blu-ray. It offers numerous character scenes that fill in some rather gaping plot holes in the theatrical edition, most notably:

Why wasn't Doc Holiday available to help the night the Erpp brothers were shot? Because, in the director's cut, he was upstairs in his hotel room drunk.

When did McMasters get killed? We see his body being dragged back to Charlton Heston's character's farm. In the director's cut, we see him going to confront the bad guys, his former gang, the Cowboys, telling them he's going to stick with his new friends, because "At least they don't go around scarin' women" and their lead mouthpiece, Ike Clanton, says "There's just one you gonna get back to 'em?"

Person C
Another one I can think of is Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, because it is on 2 DVDs which has Director's Commentary, 42 deleted scenes, loads of featurettes, and loads more features, while the blu-ray only has the Director's Commentary.

Person B
I'd also like to say John Carpenter's The Thing. The HD-DVD (now an extinct format), and probably the Special Edition DVD, had more special features than the blu-ray. The HD-DVD, and probably the special edition DVD, had oodles of interesting documentaries, including makeup artist Rob Bottin talking about his legendary Thing designs and execution. The blu-ray only has the commentary track from the HD-DVD and probably special edition DVD, which is interesting, but the blu-ray, with the exception of the commentary and a superb transfer of the film, is rather lean, and lame,

Person D

The BD in stores at the moment has the "Things Take Shape" and other features from the collectors edition DVD.

Person B
The Thing BD that has all the special features including "Things Take Shape" documentary: Thanks, Marmaduke! I'm going to buy it!

Person E
For picture quality, special features, or any other reason.

I doubt there are many where the DVD has better picture quality (wow how badly would they have to mess up the transfer for that) but plenty where there are features or even cuts that the DVD has but the BR lacks. That's why I never get rid of the DVD even after I get the same movie on BR.

Granted this is mostly an issue with movies that were released on DVD years before BR, and not contemporary DVD/BR releases (especially when they're sold together in a combo pack).

Person F
Predator has a transfer that makes the people look like Barbie dolls. It looks ridiculous.

Person G
Predator has a transfer that makes the people look like Barbie dolls. It looks ridiculous.

That doesn't aplly to all Blu-Ray editions of the movie.

Person H
I second that.

Optical media is all about storing bits. In that respect, more bits is better. Blu-ray is better because it holds more bits.

The content that's encoded into those bits is another matter. Since there's no rule of nature (or law) that says that there can only be one release per medium, I think it's rather pointless to talk about this as a "DVD edition" matter when bad data can be introduced into either medium equally easily.

I have CDs of some of my favorite music albums that have been remastered and re-released over the years. The audible difference is in the mastering process, not the medium. So if I were to say that a CD in a "jewel box" package sounds worse than a newer release in Digipak packaging, which sounds worse than the latest release in a cardboard sleeve...I would be barking up the wrong tree.

Person I
Kiss Of The Dragon got a really bad Blu Ray treatment. No extras and the picture quality is awful, barely better than DVD. A lot of Fox's early BD releases are crap though, took them a while to figure out what they were doing. Same with Warner Bros but at least they were smart enough to port the extras from the DVD editions onto most of their early BD titles.

Person J
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I among the filmed project that were filmed in 4x3 (full screen) and for the bluray they cropped the top and bottom to make it 16x9. And for the great sceneries this film show, or just to see the actors in the way they were filmed. It may be better in DVD.


Person K
Ghostbusters. The Blu Ray is the grainiest thing I've ever seen. Though the new 4K remaster edition blu ray is a lot better.

Do you know the way to Shell Beach?

Person D
Mid to late eighties eastman stock strikes again.

Die Hard is another which suffers from this.

Person L
A bunch. Some blu-rays have been orange and tealed or had the colour timing messed up in other ways. There's a blog with a list... if I remember the link I'll post it here.

Person B
Raiders of the Lost Ark.

This is one of my favorite films and I was really looking forward to seeing it on blu-ray in high-def! What a disappointment. I actually prefer the transfer used for the DVD over the transfer used for the blu-ray.

The DVD, minus its resolution limitations, is how I remember Raiders looking in cinemas in terms of color and contrast.

The blu-ray of Raiders, despite receiving according to reviews the "royal, red carpet treatment" in the form of a velvetty, organically sharp 4k transfer, is flawed in terms of contrast. The bright scenes are too bright, the highlights are blown out white and the dark scenes like in the Ravenwood bar are too dark.

Plus the whole transfer has this yellow-orange teal that makes the picture look way too warm, making lightning flashes outside the Well of Souls and other lighting that was supposed to look blue when mixed with the yellow-orange teal of the transfer look gray.

I really hope the problem is only in the transfer and not in the original negative. I'd hate to see a great film like Raiders fade away and vanish forever, be buried in the sand for a thousand years like the Ark of the Covenant! I'd like restoration artists to take another Indy whip-crack at transferring Raiders properly in the future. With Raiders cinematographer Douglas Sloccombe no longer here with us on this Earth to supervise the transfer, and Raiders director Steven Spielberg who signed off on this transfer apparently having no idea what the film is supposed to look like, the only reference point is the old transfer used for the DVD. Restoration artists: Use that old transfer as the technical benchmark for what Raiders is supposed to look like!

Plus the sound of Raiders on blu-ray is a mixed bag. The soundtrack has been mastered from the original 6-track, and Been Burtt appears to have added a few new sound-FX here and there, like water dripping in the South American temple in the beginning, which is great. But bass has been overexaggerated and John Williams' superb, legendary music has been reverbed out to the point where it sounds like the London Symphony Orchestra is performing the Raiders score at a ball game.

The soundtrack on the DVD, despite being pseudo-"mastered in 5.1" from the 2-channel Dol

Person M
The Sword in the Stone (1963):
It is in your best interest to pick up either the Walt Disney Gold Classic Collection DVD or the 45th Anniversary DVD. The 50th Anniversary Edition Blu-ray is a scrubbed/soft mess. I can only assume the 50th Anniversary DVD is the same.

Lilo and Stitch (2002):
Your best bet is the 2-Disc Big Wave Edition DVD from 2009. It has some fantastic extras (including a 2 hour making of documentary.) The Blu-ray copy has no extras at all!

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Person B
Mad Max 2-The Road Warrior (2007 first blu-ray edition; Max against blueish-orange skies on the cover).

The color is muted and the night scene, when Max is trying to make it out into the wasteland with gas cans on his shoulders and falls into a crevase alerting the Lord Humungus' Dogs of War, has been unnaturally and unnecessarily brightened up to the point where there is horrendous grain visible and a faded blue strip running down the left side of the frame. The DVD,

Plus the sound in the 5.1 mix in the 2007 BD has completely lost its omnipresent 360-degree surround effects, most notably when we come out of the blower on Max's V8 Interceptor in the beginning and the gyrocaptain's copter flying overhead, spectacular effects! The sound in the 2007 BD appears to be primarily a front-channel 3.1 mix. Disappointing to say the least, because those 360-degree surround effects are so awesome on the DVD.

Thankfully, Warner got it right again in 2013 when they re-did the transfer for the 2013 BD re-release (Max against grayish skies on the cover), so after all their and our dollars spent on the sub-standard 2007 version, all is well again. Why in the hell couldn't they have gotten it right the first time in 2007?

Person O
The Terminator as the Special Edition DVD release, why? You get the original Mono sountrack, that is missing on the latest Blu-ray release.
They changed a lot of the audio, such as the sounds of the weapons, when they converted the audio to 5.1
In the original Mono track, the weapons sounds a whole lot more nasty.

Person I
The original Terminator BD apparently had a 5.1 PCM upmix of the mono track. But it was only released in the USA... but the UE DVD had much better extras, which is why it's still in my collection.

Person B

I hate how Universal's sound designers reverbed-out and sent to the far, far surrounds John Williams' legendary music score in the blu-ray's 7.1 mix.

Don't get me wrong, the picture is superb and Universal's sound designers did a great job adding some nice new 360-degree splashes during the 4th of July Amity beach panic scene, but John Williams music, music that director Steven Spielberg has repeatedly lauded as being 50% responsible for the success of Jaws, music that won John his first Oscar for Best Original Score, has been reverbed out so thin for the 7.1 mix that it has lost much of its impact.

This is particularly evident in the opening of the movie. Just after the Universal logo and prior to the movie's first "A Zanuck/Brown Production" title, against black, amidst the sound of distant whales singing, in the original 1975 mono mix, you hear Johnny's "DAAA-DUM" two bass viol notes signalling the presence of the shark. Those two bass viol notes instantly trigger our primordial dread and terror. Those are the two notes that continue to keep people all over the world out of the water.

The 5.1 mix of the DVD spread Johnny's music into stereo with some surround, mixed in with bubbles and other undersea activity, a bit of tampering with the original conception, but OK, not too objectionable.

The 7.1 mix of the blu-ray reverbs out Johnny's music so thinly against all those bubbles that you can't even HEAR the opening "DAAA-DUM"!. Perhaps in commercial theatrical cinemas, where Jaws is being re-released, you CAN hear the music because the speakers in cinemas are more spread out and the sound is thus more delineated. In home cinemas, you can't hear the music.

Universal's sound designers: Just because you CAN do something does not always automatically necessarily mean that you SHOULD. Sometimes you gotta leave well enough alone!

Thankfully, Universal included the "quaint" original 1975 mono mix of Jaws, that has Johnny's "DAAA-DUM" music once again loud, front and center, on English Audio 2 (2.0 mono) of the blu-ray for film purists.

Person N
The theatrical cut of Troy was never released on Blu-ray, only the Director's Cut, which completely rearranged the soundtrack. I adored Troy's music, so this renders the Blu-ray basically unwatchable for me.

Kingdom of Heaven had that incredible 4-disc Director's Cut set on DVD with tons of special features, but I think the Blu-ray release is bare-bones.

The only way to get the original audio for The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is to own the old, un-restored DVD.

The original trilogy of Star Wars is only available on the '06 2-disc DVDs (but with issues many have pointed out before)...

Person I
^Actually not true about The Good The Bad And The Ugly, newer copies of the remastered-in-4K version include the original mono soundtrack. The first remaster accidentally recycled the audio tracks from the original BD release, but it was quickly recalled and replaced with a new version with corrected audio.

Kingdom of Heaven has also been re-released with all the extras and all three versions (theatrical, DC and Roadshow DC), but only in the USA so far.

Person N
Interesting, I wasn't aware of the new KOH release. I'll probably just hang on to my old Blu-ray and 4-disc DVD though.

Looks like you're also right about the Man with No Name set, from what I'm reading out there. However, I just got the latest 4K Remastered set a few weeks ago at Best Buy, so according to internet chatter I should have the right set. But I could've sworn when I played it after I bought it, the correct audio was not on the disc. I'll have to look again when I get home today.

Person I
There's probably still a bunch of older copies floating around of the wrong-audio version.. here's a guide to which version is which:

Discs with the original mono track have 9193 V2 printed on the inner ring of the disc.
Discs with the downmixed track have 9325 printed on the inner ring of the disc.

Apparently there's no difference in packaging, they just changed it and didn't make any announcement.

Kingdom of Heaven would be worth the upgrade if you have a high-grade display, the old BD used the outdated MPEG-2 video codec, while the new one uses AVC MPEG-4.

Person N
Well whaddaya know, I have the correct version after all. Thanks for the info!

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